Tiger opinion about 7 point spread...

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  1. ramah

    ramah Founding Member

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    Interesting stats

    I like these stats even better ... LSU vs Iowa ... head to head ... I guess Las Vegas does too

    http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?div=4 ... NCAA stats

    TEAM REPORTS ... LISTED BELOW ... RIGHT DOWN THE LINE

    http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/national rankings/IA_teamrush.html

    LSU #19 (200 ypg rushing) vs. Iowa #117 (yes, folks ... THE VERY BOTTOM) at only 75 ypg rushing

    :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

    Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ... a one-dimensional Offense against a Nick Saban Dee ... call the coroner ... speed kills

    http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/national rankings/IA_teampass.html

    Iowa # 41 (235 ypg) vs. LSU #75 (200 ypg) ... Advantage Iowa

    http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/national rankings/IA_teamtotoff.html

    Total Offense = LSU # 32 (400 YPG) vs Iowa # 103 (310 YPG) :lsug: :thumb:

    And the most important offensive stat ... scoring offense

    http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/national rankings/IA_teamscoroff.html

    LSU is # 40 (29 PPG) vs Iowa # 73 (23.8 PPG) :lsug: :thumb:


    Now we head to the Defensive side of the coin


    http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/national rankings/IA_teamrushdef.html

    Iowa is #6 (90 YPG rushing allowed) & LSU is #13 (104 YPG allowed) Slight Edge to Iowa

    http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/national rankings/IA_teampassdef.html

    LSU is #3 (145 YPG allowed passing) vs. Iowa # 34 (199 ypg allowed) Big Edge to LSU

    http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/national rankings/IA_teamtotdef.html

    TOTAL DEE ... LSU # 3 (under 250 YPG ... phenomenal) vs Iowa #10 (289)
    Advantage LSU

    Scoring Dee ... LSU # 11 (GA game killed us ... 15.9) vs Iowa # 17 (16.9) Slight edge LSU

    http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/national rankings/IA_teamnetpunt.html

    Net punting LSU # 27 vs Iowa # 66 ... Advantage LSU

    http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/national rankings/IA_teampuntret.html

    Punt returns ... Iowa # 13 (14.4 ypr) vs. LSU # 86 (7.39 ypr) ... a very sore spot for LSU after such a fantastic season in 2003

    http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/national rankings/IA_teamkickret.html

    Iowa & LSU even at 19 yards per return

    http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/national rankings/IA_teamturnovermrgn.html

    Iowa's Ace in the hole ... IOWA # 4 at +1.27, LSU # 79 at -.27 ... Advantage Iowa

    Fumbles recovered Iowa 15, LSU 9 ... Advantage Iowa

    Passes picked Iowa 16, LSU 12 ... Advantage Iowa

    Fumbles lost Iowa 5, LSU 15 ... Advantage Iowa

    Passes picked LSU 9, Iowa 12 ... won't help passing efficiency for Iowa

    Turnovers gained Iowa 31, LSU 21 ... Advantage Iowa

    Turnovers lost Iowa 17, LSU 24 ... Advantage Iowa


    http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/national rankings/IA_teampasseff.html

    Passing Efficiency about even (133+)

    http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/national rankings/IA_teamdefpasseff.html

    Passing Efficiency Dee LSU # 5 (98.5) vs Iowa # 14 (104) ... edge LSU

    Penalties & Fewest yards penalized per game ... Edge to LSU # 24 (46 ypg) vs Iowa # 67 (57 ypg)

    Punt Return Yardage Dee ... Advantage LSU #5 (5 ypp) vs. Iowa # 29 (7.55) ...... This affects Iowa's edge in punt returns ... they won't pop 14 yards a return on LSU

    Kickoff Return Yardage Dee ... Advantage LSU # 5 (16.66) vs #26 Iowa (18.59)

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    The Bottom line ... a fantastic ... utterly fantastic ... day for Iowa will be 14 points against LSU's defense ... we'll leave it at that with LSU having a clear advantage in almost every major category save Turnovers

    ... I can hear those Sioux Indian chiefs chanting for rain now to the great spirit Wakan Tanka and calling upon their ancestors for "good medicine" as they walk the Red Road in Orlando ... just keep Chief ****tin Bull off the job :hihi:

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  2. futballer

    futballer Freshman

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    Actually, the Souix were (are) more western Iowa/Nebraska/South Dakota. Iowa City is in Eastern Iowa about 40 min. west of the Mississippi, which was more Suak and Fox territory (Chief Black Hawk etc...)

    If you are going to mock our history, at least get the correct region. :thumb:

    The stats would seem to favor the Tigs, which I assume is at least part of the reson for the 7 point spread. Problem is, stats don't win football games, regardless of what ESPN would have you believe.

    Iowa has a way of scrtaching and fighting and leaving opponents with a three point loss wondering how in the heck they lost to, well, Iowa.

    Your speed is not what concerns me, Iowa (apart from ASU who played a perfect game and pounded us) has not given up many big plays on defense, I can think of 3 all season. The defense gives you short then makes a big play. What concerns me is your D Line, who seem to be very good at what they do. The Hawks have struggled to run the ball, so I expect they will pin their ears a little bit. Tate is good, but it's hard when 2 of the 5 who rushed are hanging on you.

    I really am starting to get excited about this game!
     
  3. cajdav1

    cajdav1 Soldiers are real hero's

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    futballer you are correct in not worrying about LSU's speed advantage too much on offense as we have not figured out how to use it yet this year, so unless we make some big changes in the next 2 weeks I expect it too be more a game of third won conversions and LSU's power running game vs Iowa's D and Iowa's scrambling QB hitting the TE for big first downs. It will be IMO a close game with the score in the high teens to low 20's.
     
  4. BigMamou

    BigMamou Founding Member

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    2 stats that I found interesting.
    LSU pass defense is strong matched against IA strength (passing).
    IA run defense is strong match against LSUs strength (rushing).
    Should be a pretty tough struggle.
     
  5. LSUTyga73

    LSUTyga73 Football Connoisseur

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    but u won't be able to win without Running the ball, but LSU does tend to struggle with teams that can pass the ball (aub,uga,fla), i think LSU can win if we continue to pound the ball down the Iowa D-line and wear them out, it'll be close for the first 3 quarters then we start to pull away in the 4th as the iowa D gets tired
     
  6. FloridaHawk82

    FloridaHawk82 Founding Member

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    Tirk,

    I THINK I see your point? You are saying that the rare over/under that is below 40 is a B10 game? OK. I'll buy that... But there is still slightly more scoring in a B10 matchup than an SEC matchup, which surprises me considering the crappy weather late in the season for B10 games.


    BTW, it took me 5 times to finish reading your post... my eyes kept wandering South and Northwest... damn son.
     
  7. FloridaHawk82

    FloridaHawk82 Founding Member

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    Ramah, your stats post was very good,and the responses were very objective, but Man this SPEED argument is BORING.

    LSU very much IS an extremely fast team. So is Michigan, Georgia, Ohio State, Auburn, Iowa, Alabama, Wisconsin, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, and Purdue... and on and on.

    WHY? Because almost all of the skill (speed) positions come from the same places.... Just take a look at the hometown's of much of Iowa's roster... Florida, Arkansas, Texas, New Jersey, etc. We take the big, mean corn-fed farm boys for the trenches and go to warm and populated places for most of our skill positions... These guys are from the same HS programs and gene pools as most SEC players.

    Also, it is well documented that there is not a better S&C coach than Iowa's Doyle... He shaves two-tenths off of most player's 40 times AND they get bigger and stronger... The result is that the upper-classmen STARTING players Iowa will put on the field will be VERY close to LSU in terms of speed... Comparing our entire 85 man roster would be a different story, as LSU is starting with more highly-regarded and faster players... Iowa can go about 1.5 to 2-deep with our top speed... LSU is flush with speed top to bottom. BUT only 11 players can be on the field at a time.

    I seriously think that the game will come down to turnovers, special teams, and field position... I like LSU in a field position game because of your ability to run the ball better... I like Iowa in turnovers and special teams.

    This is shaping up to be a battle between two fantastic groups of athletes who are coached up as well as any players in the country... It will be a great chess match between two great coaches (and good friends).

    p.s. For the most part, I have really enjoyed the banter with you Tigers. Lots of very good FB talk. Both sides have our share of Clearasil-smearing adolescents, but that is the Internet... Good luck!
     
  8. futballer

    futballer Freshman

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    Also, to add to your point Fla Hawk, I think the Tigs might be surprised at just how fast out linebacking corps really is.

    Not your old time Big Ten 285 lbs, 6.0 40 yarder run stoppers anymore!
     
  9. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    ok since I have a few big 10 junkies here, where is Anthony Davis projected to go in the draft? He could be the best back in the country if not for his continuous injuries.

    As he goes, so does Wisconsin the last couple of years but i guess losing sorgi didn't help their cause. I must admit i do like watching the godfather and like how their fans worship him yet he needs to go more toward the Tiller route for offense.
     
  10. MobileBengal

    MobileBengal Founding Member

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    I think that depth is a key issue when talking about team speed. Admittedly, I dont know that much about Iowa, except that you do have a pretty quick defense. However, I do know that no one will be able to run as fast a 40 time at the end of the game as they can at the beginning. Six speedsters at WR are fresher throughout the game than, say 3.

    Also, I wouldnt be so sure that our strength and conditioning isnt near or at the top in the nation. We have been relatively injury free for the last 2 years, due in some part to luck, some part to S&C. Tommy Moffit came to LSU in 2000 after being named the 1999 Collegiate Football Strength and Conditioning Coach of the Year by the Professional Football Strength and Conditioning Coaches Society, while at Miami. Last year, he was named the 2003 College Strength and Conditioning Coach of the Year by America Football Monthly. Though less prestigious, he also has a handful of high school S&C awards. Over the five years he has been at LSU, we have become one of the most physical teams in the nation on a yearly basis.

    Now, Id like to believe that all that stuff means we will be able to run the ball at will all over Iowa, but I like most LSU fans around here, dont believe that to be the case. Like others have mentioned in this thread and others, I really think the game will come down to QB play. That area has been like a box of chocolates for us so far this year. If Randall can minimize mistakes and make a few plays with his arm- and his legs- at the beginning of the game, I like our chances. Otherwise we may be facing an uphill climb, though it wouldnt be the first time.
     

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