What about Ukraine and Russia?

Jmg · Dec 7, 2023

vivek is talking so much sense on everything. we have to get out of this gay ass war in Ukraine. the eastern provinces are Russian, its over.

the old picker · Feb 17, 2024

Winston1 said: ↑

I guess it’s more fun arguing than looking at the facts. Here are the facts.
1) The initial response to 9/11 was to go into Afghanistan and destroy the jihadist camps and warn the Taliban not to host terrorists. That was the right and necessary action. It should have ended there. 2) Failure to get OBL at Tora Bora was a disaster. The democrats in congress and W couldn’t let him get away so we stayed.
3) Staying morphed into trying to fix the country. This was an impossible task yet 3 presidents and12 congresses tried. This wasn’t a democrat or republican problem. It was a joint fuck up that no one had the courage to stop.
4) Trump should be given credit for actually committing to the pull out.
5) Trump’s timeline wasn’t realistic especially if we were supposed to remove all of the material in the country.
6) Biden made the pull out worse by his meddling in tactical decision. He willfully abandoned people including Americans and equipment. His actions forbidding mercenaries to provide air support cut the knees and life out of the Afghan army making quick defeat inevitable.
No this debacle has fathers on all sides of the aisle and to try to lay full blame on any one person is either political bullshit or stupidity.
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What about Ukraine and Russia?

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